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Hi, everyone. Welcome to the A6 and Z podcast. I'm Sonal and today, general partner Chris

Dixon and I are chatting with Kevin Chu, CEO and founder of Forte, which is focused on building

a more collaborative future for gaming by realigning the economic relationship between players

and developers and others. Kevin was formerly CEO of Cabam,

which was an early leader in online and mobile gaming before it was acquired. So he's seen it all

when it comes to the major shifts in gaming from then to now and what's coming next. So today's

episode covers everything from what those platform shifts were and are to what it means to evolve the business models for

gaming, specifically coming to and from the idea of free to play. And we also touch on where

blockchain and crypto economics come in. But first, we begin by quickly touching on Kevin's

early history in gaming and especially what changed during the first decade of the aughts.

I started playing games on my dad's 8086.

And so back then there was no hard drive.

You had to load in the floppy disk and change the config.cys files to make sure everything all worked properly.

So I started, you know, playing games on PC.

And, you know, fast forward.

I played games all throughout college and started playing some competitive games.

And then in 2006, I ended up starting a cabam.

And at that time, the world was moving from going to the store and buying a copy of a

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