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Friends, welcome. As before, this is not a regular episode of Murdemile. This is part two of

three of New Blue, an illuminated conversation with John and Sally Mitchell, two retired detectives

who now investigate murder cases in their podcast, True Crime Investigators UK.

In last week's show, we dived into the day to day basics of being a detective. This week,

we dive into the nitty-gritty of police interviews, as both John and Sally were detectives for many

years, and Sally was also a lawyer. For reference, a duty lawyer or duty solicitor is the legal

representative which any suspect or witness is entitled to, for free, when they're being

interviewed by the police. This is part of your constitutional rights. The duty solicitors are

entirely impartial, and they attend the interview on a purely advisory capacity. If a suspect is

unable to provide their own legal representation. As before, John and Sally are great fun and a delight

to talk to, and as we recorded all three episodes across several hours, I permitted them a teeny

little tea break in between. Which gave us a chance to try and sort out a few technical issues?

Hence the sound is always perfect.

No problem at all. I dread to think what's going on. This is this sounds very weird.

Shall I give you some more time? And yes, I am implying they were up to something rude.

Also worse, because I'm on the waterway. A big fuel boat just went past. Just after we switched off

and the boat rocked violently and threw everything around, so luckily we missed that.

That's useful to remember for later on. Before we started, as John and Sally had just been on

the trip to London, we chatted about where they had visited. And there's all exhibits in

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