Hello and welcome to the Apple Insider podcast. I'm your host, Wesley Hilliard, back and married.

Yes, it all went well. We'll talk about it later. But first, I want to thank our sponsors this week, Masterclass in Nord Stellar. I'm joined by

William this week. Don't worry, Mike isn't here to grump things up. We always appreciate Mike coming on

the show. I didn't hear anything too badly said about me, but William, did you have a secret

standby episode on hand where you guys just talk bad about me the whole time.

It's the whole reason last week's Sappensider Plus was a pre-record, because otherwise it was

bleep, bleep, bleep over what Mike was saying.

We've got to get you two on because you have such strong information and very different

perspectives about all sorts of things.

Got to do a podcast with you two and I'll just watch in the corner.

Yeah.

Yeah, when Mike and I get on, it's always interesting because it's one of those situations where we agree in a lot of things, but our approaches are from completely different directions.

So we like have this false argument the whole time.

It's fine.

I like the fact that, well that well actually it's a little bit

with you and me but there's also definitely me and mike and you would have heard some of this

last week if you listen to it um he is absolutely so down the line hardware oriented and i am

completely software orientated so if you ever ask us to solve a problem, his solution is a

screwdriver, mine is a terminal command and things. And it works. Both of them fine. But I love how

we get into our little silos and do it. And I, well, I particularly love the silos when they

clash. But yeah, hang on, wait. Why are you going to make us wait until Apple's side of

plus to talk about the wedding? That's what we want to know about. Forget Apple's

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