Andrew Huberman, neuroscientist and associate professor at Stanford University School of Medicine.

Now, you talk a lot about meaning. Walk me through, like, the, how we assign meeting,

how we leverage the reward and punishment to really get us in a situation where we can push

through something other people might not be able to push through it. Yeah. So when you start thinking about things like growth mindset in terms of how they convert to neurochemical signatures, it leads us to this place of, okay, if it's all subjective, then, you know, if I just say, look, I'm going to stand up out of my chair and that's going to feel amazing. Is that going to work? Well, no. It depends on the meaning that I attach to something. And this, and this subjective part can be a little tricky and a little bit hard for people. So I want to try and laid out in a concrete way so that if they want to apply this, they can. Incidentally, or not so incidentally, I should say, when you look at communities of very high performers, and I'm fortunate enough to do some

consulting with some people from special forces, communities and so forth, they're very good,

as are you, at attaching reward to specific behaviors in subjective ways.

So growth mindset and these dopamine rewards that we subjectively apply are not about saying, oh, you know, I had a terrible

day. I performed poorly, but you know what? It's great. I just feel great anyway. It's not about that.

It's not about attaching your sense of reward to the ultimate goal. It's about attaching your

sense of reward to the fact that you're making action steps that are generally in the right direction.

The more you can reward the effort process, the better off you are at building these kinds

of neural circuits and these kind of tendencies to be able to lean into anything challenging

over essentially any duration.

So how does this work?

Like how would somebody do this, right?

Well, keeping in mind that adrenaline and epinephrine are all great for getting us into action. This is Mother Nature's way of chemically making us feel kind of agitated. Remember, stress was designed to agitate us to move us away from things and toward things. But realizing that that's a limited resource, that eventually that same chemical is what makes you have a negative mindset. It feels painful. It's the burn in your body. It's uncomfortable. And realizing that dopamine can push back on that neurochemically, it can suppress those sensations of wanting to quit. You say, well, then how do I get this dopamine to work for me before I hit a goal? Because not every day is going to be a real win. There's some days, I mean, I know for my science career, there were days that were really hard, experiments didn't work, papers got rejected, and yet, you know, I've spent two decades or more just drilling on and drilling on. And it's been a sheer pleasure at times. But there's been, you know, some pain points along the way.

So what is this process really about? And how would somebody implement these dopamine and epinephrine

type norchemical events in their own life? Well, we all know the example of like wanting to run a

marathon. I've never run a marathon, but that would be a nice goal to have. Let's say tomorrow morning,

I set my shoes near the door. Now, a lot of people have talked about this. Day one, you set your shoes near the door. Day two, you go out the door. Day three, you run around the block. Day four. But the key thing is not just to go through the actions, but when you hit each one of those self-designated milestones, the milestones that you're setting out for yourself,

you have to pause for a moment and tell yourself, I'm heading in the right direction.

I haven't run the marathon yet, but this is the foundation upon which I'm going to lay another

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