When we started Netflix, everybody had the same reaction, which was, oh, it's just a matter of hours before everyone is downloading the movies over the internet.

We were in deep trouble at Netflix. We had losses of about $50 million. Mark Randolph is an American tech entrepreneur, the co-founder and first CEO of Netflix with a career panning is always facing

You have no idea what's gonna happen and so it's this this ability to

And they wanted to see which of us wouldn't take no for an answer

That was you that was me And that has been a profound lesson. That is

something that I've carried with me my whole life. That is something that I teach my kids,

that I teach other entrepreneurs I work with, that in the business context, that no doesn't mean't mean no you know what I'm going to do

here marks I'm going to ask you a question I'm not going to take no for an answer I've been inspired

here we go you started the U.S. version of a Mac user magazine I believe in 1984 yes how did you go from

Cherry Lane to Mac user or why did you go from Cherry Lane to Mac user?

Or why did you go from that?

Well, that was the guitar player, guitar magazine.

Got it.

I had all this circulation experience that I had taken a magazine, a specialty magazine,

and launched it and made it successful.

And I learned how to do circulation.

And I found, and I eventually, I got, look, well listen I'll be honest with you I got fired from cherry laying because I was

pain in the ass I was always pushing I was always trying things I was always getting frustrated

I couldn't get everyone else excited about this mail or division or about this circulation

and so I met this entrepreneur who was going to

start a Macintosh magazine and he invited me to join the team as a circulation director.

And that was Mac user. And that was a wild ride. And that was a wonderful life experience too because that entrepreneur was a guy named Peter Godfrey, who was a serial entrepreneur.

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