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Hi everyone, time for another informative, if not inspirational conversation with a specialist, someone that can bring unique insight to a subject. Today's guest in question is Whitney Webb,

investigative journalist Whitney web.

Whitney has been, if you're not already aware of her,

Whitney has been methodically, forensically,

piecing together the ways that politics and economics and organized crime came together in a hellish, what would you say,

Minage a twa that helps explain the mess we're in. If you're not aware of

Whitney's work via podcasts and extensive writing really more to the fact sub Substantic published books then I strongly recommend that you rectify that that gap in your in your knowledge in your own time if such a gap exists because the story that Whitney tells is I assure you more fascinating and compelling

and ultimately revealing than any Hollywood thriller you could name.

Welcome, Whitney Webb, many thanks for making time for me. Oh, absolutely, my pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

I'm frankly in all of the work that you've been doing, it's your command of detail and how much of it you seem to just hold in your head at any one time.

It just, I'm preoccupied with your ability to articulate a story that's so packed with details.

So I'll get right into it.

I think, as I said in the intro, people will have varying levels of awareness of the work that you've been doing

but so it just to get things off on an even keel

was there an identifiable moment, would you say, when our governments and associated establishments

became crime syndicates, or was it ever thus?

Yeah, well there's a lot of different things you can you can point to I suppose

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