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The Life Scientific

Neil Lawrence on taking down the 'digital oligarchy' and why we shouldn't fear AI

The Life Scientific

BBC

Technology, Personal Journals, Society & Culture, Science

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

When you think of Artificial Intelligence, does it inspire confidence, or concern?

Although it's now generally accepted that this technology will play a major role in our future, a lot of conversations around AI and machine learning come back to the argument over us losing control and robots taking over.

Happily, Neil Lawrence has a more optimistic view of the power of AI, and how we might navigate the potential pitfalls. Neil is the DeepMind Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Cambridge, and over the course of his career has been involved in deploying AI and machine learning in both academic and commercial scenarios, with a stint at Amazon as well as working across fields as varied as movie animation, Formula 1 strategy, and medical research.

Speaking with Professor Jim Al-Khalili, Neil says ultimately his efforts are all about making a difference to our everyday lives - and that we need to learn how to embrace AI, albeit with a healthy dollop of scepticism; not least when it comes to how our data is used, and the power of 'the digital oligarchy'...

Presented by JIm Al-Khalili Produced for BBC Studios by Lucy Taylor

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BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. Hello, today it's become obvious that artificial intelligence, AI, is going to play a huge part in our future.

1:02.2

But not everyone's entirely clear or indeed in agreement on how that will pan out.

1:07.8

And a lot of conversations around AI and machine learning still referenced the

1:12.0

idea of a dystopian future where Terminator-style robots are our overlords. But don't panic.

1:18.5

My guest today says that's all rubbish. Neil Lawrence is the Deep Mind Professor of Machine

1:24.2

Learning at the University of Cambridge. A mechanical engineer by training,

1:28.3

Neil's story is one of contrasts. He's worked for both academia and Amazon. He's plied his trade on

1:35.0

oil rigs and helped set up data workshops in Africa. Perhaps most improbably, he's both a keen

1:41.0

cyclist and a petrol head. During his career, Neil's also been involved with deploying AI and machine learning

1:47.9

across fields as varied as movie animation, Formula One strategy and local planning applications.

1:54.5

And he says ultimately all his efforts are about making a difference to our everyday lives,

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