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Neil Barofsky on Bailouts

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🗓️ 3 September 2012

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Neil Barofsky, author of Bailout and the former Special Inspector General for the TARP program, talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about his book and the government bailouts by the Bush and Obama Administrations. Barofsky recounts what he learned about how Washington works and the incentives facing politicians and bureaucrats. His book and this interview are a workshop in public choice economics. Along the way he unravels some of the acronyms of the last few years including TARP, TALF, and HAMP. The conversation concludes with lessons learned by Barofsky and what might be done in the future to prevent the corruption and ineffectiveness of past bailouts.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Econ Talk, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty. I'm your host Russ Roberts

0:13.9

of George Mason University and Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Our website is econtalk.org

0:21.2

where you can subscribe, find other episodes, comment on this podcast, and find links to

0:26.5

another information related to today's conversation. Our email address is mail at econtalk.org. We'd

0:33.6

love to hear from you.

0:36.8

Today is August 27, 2012, and my guest is Neil Borovsky, former special inspector general for

0:45.7

the TARP program, and author of bailout, his memoir of that experience, Neil, welcome to

0:51.6

the econ talk. Thank you for having me. Let's start with TARP, which I always think of

0:58.9

as standing for toxic asset relief program, but the T is actually troubled asset relief program.

1:05.3

It was originally proposed by the Bush administration as a way to purchase so-called toxic or troubled

1:11.0

assets from banks to reduce the risk of some kind of financial meltdown. So give us a brief

1:17.2

history of TARP and how sick TARP, the special inspector general got involved, and how you

1:22.6

got involved. So TARP came about in the fall of 2008 when really the wheels were falling off

1:29.6

of the financial system, and the largest banks, largest financial institutions were suffering

1:35.2

these enormous losses, largely because of their exposure to certain real estate related assets.

1:41.1

Bonds and CDOs, the sort of complex bonds of bonds that were all tied to the American

1:47.5

real estate market, and as the real estate bubble popped, those assets, those troubled assets,

1:53.2

lost value, creating massive losses for the banks. And the original idea of TARP, as it

1:58.0

was sold to Congress, as Secretary, then Secretary of the Treasury, Hank Paulson, and Chairman

2:03.3

of the Fed, Ben Bernanke, went to Congress, they wanted to get authorization to go out

2:07.9

and borrow $700 billion in order to buy up from the banks these troubled assets, as we

2:15.8

called them at the time, toxic assets. So that was the original pitch to Congress that

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