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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Navigating Life Beyond the Children of God Cult as an Expert on Disabilities with Psychologist Maria Esguerra

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8684 Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2024

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Australian Maria Esguerra tells us that it’s still difficult to speak about her personal experiences as a second-generation survivor of The Children of God cult. In this episode of The Influence Continuum, we explored the challenges of breaking free from cults and how those who become part of society’s natural defense system against cult indoctrination and authoritarianism help to free others. She traced her story back to a childhood of illnesses that mainly went untreated. “I had measles, chicken pox, mumps, malaria, every imaginable childhood disease, lots of parasites,” she said. Her father would eventually die when she was only four years old from Hodgkin Lymphoma, a form of cancer considered to be largely curable. She explained that in The Children of God cult, medical care was avoided as illnesses were considered the fault of the person or as “God judging you.” Maria is now a psychologist and Director of Assessable, an organization dedicated to serving people with disabilities. This is an especially commendable achievement in that her early life was shaped by her parent’s involvement in The Children of God cult. We discussed the experience of raising children within the cult and what ultimately pushed Maria to leave. One of the critical factors in her decision was her son’s battle with meningitis, which left him in a coma at a medical research center for ten days, resulting in a lifelong brain injury. While in Africa, Maria became pregnant again and endured harsh conditions. Upon returning to Australia, she resolved to create a new reality for her children—one rooted in safety and love, something she had not been given. Maria is an inspiration for everyone! Learn more about Steven Hassan and Freedom of Mind Resource Center. Visit freedomofmind.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of the Influence Continuum.

0:10.2

And my guest today comes all the way from Down Under in Australia, Maria Esquera.

0:18.8

Did I say it correctly?

0:20.1

I hope.

0:20.5

I pray. Maria and I met together in Barcelona at a cult

0:27.1

conference, and I learned she's a psychologist. She supervises other psychologists, but for me,

0:36.1

what makes her so extraordinary is she was born and raised in one of the

0:40.8

most destructive cults I've ever worked in, the children of God. And I admire her so much,

0:49.9

and her dissertation was on social identity theory. I just recently listened to her little mini video on LinkedIn,

1:00.1

on positive behavior support for folks with disabilities,

1:04.1

which was spot on, and just awesome.

1:07.9

I'm a fan, Maria.

1:09.6

So why don't you introduce yourself to my audience and tell us about

1:14.5

your childhood and a little bit of your journey, please. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for that

1:22.7

lovely introduction. That means a lot to me. So I have only recently, I suppose, come out in the sense of, like, in the last two years, talking a little bit more about my experiences.

1:36.2

So this is very new to me.

1:37.8

I can feel the nerves.

1:39.9

And just like you were telling me, there was a little bit of shame around being a survivor and someone who grew or who's being in a cultic group, sometimes as a mental health professional or psychologists, sometimes you don't get a wonderful warm welcome when people hear that.

1:57.3

Sometimes there's even some discrimination, unfortunately, in stigma. So I've been

2:03.5

terrified after going through what I had to go through to get an education. So I've been,

2:08.1

you know, scared to talk about my history and story. And I think it's a lot of people who

2:14.5

either grow up or even join groups, they're scared that it's going to be seen the wrong way that there's something wrong with them mentally.

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