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Craig about about ten years ago now, we asked you to leave your home and family and two daughters

and the world you'd known for many many decades in Los Angeles and moved to Colorado

come to ransom heart, be a part of this.

How hard was that for you and for Lori?

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh.

So many things to say, could say, incredibly hard. You leave a world where you're just doing life together, swing by, fix a curtain, help with something, drop off a roll of paper towels from

Costco, help edge the lawn. I don't know why the sun-on-laws and doing all this

but... Offer counsel, encouragement, talk, and then when you move geographically,

now you switch to every phone call and every visit has a little more of a formal feel and

texture so just that natural being together changes and that's probably the hardest part is just adjusting.

MIST them, their friends and everything they brought to our lives.

That was the hard part.

Friends, you're listening to the Ransom Tar podcast, John Eldridge, Craig McConnell,

Brad Beck on our team.

Brad's actually the executive director of Ransomed Hart.

And this week wanted to talk a little bit about our experiences in changing families and in what is often referred to as the empty

nest. All three of us now, I wouldn't say veterans of it but I having entered into it and yeah just

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