I'm John Bachelor with Anito Leaven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible State Craft

writing most recently about Navalny's death, Alexi Navalny, dying in as yet unexplained

circumstances in a version of the gulag in the far north and the cold were told many stories. There's no clarity here except for the man is

dead and there's there are a family members seeking his body whether that happens or not is

unknown to me.

However, we can address immediately a pattern.

And until I go quickly, Littfonenko,

poison to death in 2006.

Nemsov shot to death on the Muskva Bridge in 2015.

2018, the poisoning of the Scripp House, father and daughter.

2020, the attempt to use Novocheck on no on Navalny flying from Siberia and now the

death of Navalny not explained there's the pattern is clear the Vladimir Putin is

an assassin. How do you speak to, how do you approach an

assassin given that it inflames the leadership of Europe and the NATO and around the world.

What, how do you begin that conversation?

Thank you.

Well, I'm afraid that you, you begin the conversation the same way that you begin it with Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia,

who of course is also an assassin, as we know.

But... as we should not praise either of these people. We do need to talk to them. There is no getting around the fact that Saudi Arabia is a very

major player in the Middle East and the Muslim world.

And now in Saudi Arabia, of course,

they're all the other unit factors we know.

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