This is CBS Eye on the World.

Here's John Batchelor.

This is CBS, I on the world.

I'm John Batchel.

I welcome my colleague Henry Sikolsky,

the executive director of the Non-Proliferation Policy Education Center.

The place, Chatham House, London, the Speaker, Mark Rudy, the General Secretary of NATO.

This quote, China will have in 2030 a hundred more ships in the U.S. is currently, and they'll

have a defense industrial base in China to build even more ships,

which the Americans at this moment can absolutely not compete with. And this is one of the big issues

we have that when it comes to defense spending, there is an issue with Europe and Canada. But

when it comes to defense production, there is an issue with Europe, Canada, and the United

States, because all

over the alliance, we are not producing enough. Henry, a very good evening to you. Your colleagues

have an article at Real Clear Defense. It makes much the same case from another point of view about

tabletops. Tabletops is the fresh language for war games, and that in that war game, that

Chinese production machine always wins. Tell us about it, Henry. Good evening to you.

Good evening. Good to be on your show. Well, the Secretary of Defense over the last weekend

publicly stated that every time the Pentagon

plays a war game against or with China in some theoretical war scenario, we lose every

single time. And he said this publicly.

Now, it isn't just ships. Everything else is being produced in larger numbers in China, things like drones and missiles,

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