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NATO: Not a 21st Century alliance with a mission. Gregory Copley, Defense & Foreign Affairs

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NATO: Not a 21st Century alliance with a mission. Gregory Copley, Defense & Foreign Affairs
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-gets-a-nato-boost-and-rockstar-s-welcome-from-crowds-in-vilnius/ar-AA1dJgar

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0:00.0

This is CBS I On The World with John Bacheler. Here's John Bacheler.

0:12.0

Bloomberg had lied from Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, NATO to offer Ukraine fast path to join when conditions met.

0:22.0

Zelensky attacks NATO resistance on membership bid. Subhead, G7 nations to give individual security pledges to Ukraine.

0:32.0

We go now, that's Bloomberg reporting from Transatlantic. This is London. This is the English telegraph.

0:42.0

Zelensky criticizes NATO's absurd that's in quotes delay to Ukraine membership.

0:48.0

Also, this headline, which is a puzzler, but there it is, Ukraine to be offered NATO light that's in quotes. NATO light. Light spelled L-I-T-E like a beer protection.

1:01.0

I welcome my colleague and friend Gregory Coplay, the editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs. NATO light, individual security, and something like a fast path.

1:12.0

All these are metaphors I've not read before in the NATO charter. What is your measure of what is achieved at Vilnius? Good evening to you, Gregory.

1:22.0

Good evening, John. Well, I think nothing of substance will be achieved at Vilnius, but there will be a lot of agitation designed to legitimize the ongoing situation.

1:33.0

Firstly, Ukraine is already NATO light. It's been a member of NATO's partnership for peace program for quite a number of years, which does give it some interoperability and communications capabilities with the formal NATO members.

1:51.0

But we have to remember that NATO today is not the NATO of 1989 when it was at the peak of its efficiency unity of purpose, unity of action, its interoperability, its standardization of logistics and technical capabilities and the like.

2:10.0

It is not that today. Today it is a political alliance, which actually is all about throwing money around, but it's not about building a military capability. NATO remains militarily more or less moribund.

2:26.0

Look, to counterbalance that, you could argue that the Warsaw Treaty Organization no longer exists and Russia itself is not as militarily effective as it would like to be by any stretch of the imagination.

2:40.0

But the reality is that we are seeing political charade here in Vilnius.

2:47.0

The headline from Bloomberg, which talked about Ukraine being offered NATO membership when it meets the conditions, the devil is in that detail when it meets the conditions.

3:00.0

And even President Biden, who wants to keep this whole conflict going as long as possible because that's his way of, if you like, legitimizing himself as a wartime leader and the like, he doesn't want to see it escalated to the point where Ukraine gets beyond his personal control or influence.

3:20.0

So this is going to be something which is going nowhere. The fact that Zelensky abusers his supposed former future partners in NATO doesn't help his case either.

3:36.0

There are a lot of countries in NATO which don't want to see Ukraine joining the Accords largely because they agree that this is entirely provocative to Russia and will actually only increase the conflict between Russia and Ukraine and the proxy partners of both.

3:55.0

So it's going nowhere. The fact that we see Turkey playing a role in NATO by striking bargains in order to allow Sweden to join the Alliance because Turkey as a member has a veto on any new members.

4:14.0

That also begs the question is, is this game worth the candle? Turkey extracted enormous concessions out of the West, including the supply of the latest model F-16 fighter aircraft for the Turkish Air Force.

4:32.0

In return, Turkey does what? It lets Sweden into NATO, which is a more or less meaningless alliance. And the question is, is Turkey in any event actually a member of NATO in the sense that it contributes to the security ideals, if you like, of NATO?

4:50.0

And it does not. The US and the West don't want to lose Turkey as a member because that would concede the pivotal geography of Turkey to Russia or to a neutral Turkey.

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