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ooh, oh, oh, oh, I'm here with Dr Phil Deloria a friend of mine but a colleague, and we're going to be discussing his father's book,

Custer Died for Your Sins, an Indian manifesto, which was published in 1969.

It is one of the 10 books that we selected is the Oak Lake Writers Society

for our Native Reads campaign and you can find the more information about Native Reed's in the show notes.

Phil, how are you doing?

Can you start by introducing yourself who you are and yeah.

So I'm Phil Deloria and through all kinds of weird things that happen in one's life I find myself teaching at Harvard University

Which is actually you know Nick where you you and I first crossed paths and yeah

So you and I both know it as an interesting kind of institution shall we shall we say that

Originally in well, part of its original charter was an Indian institution by the way.

Yeah, and it's one of the things we've really been trying to press hard, you know, on the university to think about is the ways that, you know, the charter 1650 says to educate the English and Indian youth. And, you know, there were several hundred years where that did not happen and of

course the early years of educating Indian youth were hardly happy you know

happy years as well but one of the other things it's been really interesting about that, just as a little sidebar, because I know we want to talk about the book is that, you know, Harvard presents as a private institution, but actually it shows up in the Massachusetts Commonwealth

Constitution in a way that actually makes it a kind of publicly functioning arm of

the you know of the state government and so its privateness is not wholly 100

percent it had publicness and that publicness had a lot to do had a lot of

points of intersection I think with native people of you know of New England

so and we're interested in sort of tracking the ways that

Harvard's, you know, various land acquisitions over the years, you know, we're also implicating it in those, you know, those histories of

dispossession. So there's a lot of work to be done at Harvard and, you know, I'm

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