For more now on the confirmation hearings of Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel, I'm joined by two leading voices in the intelligence community, Frank Montoya Jr., national security analysts and retired senior FBI official, and Jamil Jaffer, executive director of National Security Institute at George Mason University.

Gentlemen, welcome and thanks for joining us, Jamil. Let's begin with Tulsi Gabbard here.

What concerns did you have about her potentially occupying this role as the nation's top-ranking

intelligence official going into the hearing?

And were those concerns answered after the hearing?

Well, you know, I think there's some challenges with some of the things

that Tulsi Gabbard said in the past. We know about her meetings with Bashar Assad. We know about

what she said about the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. And obviously, we saw today very tough questions

about Edward Snowden and her views on him and whether he's a traitor or a whistleblower.

And she did not, she did not affirmatively say that he was a traitor, even though a number

of members of the Senate asked her that question.

So I think those were open questions going in.

I think she, you know, punted on some of those, but on the toughest questions, the one

on, one's on Snowden.

She didn't do what I think she needed to do, which is to come out and say affirmatively

what the vast majority of the members of that committee believe, if not all of them, that he, in fact,

is a traitor to the United States having violated laws by disclosing classified and infringement

publicly along a variety of programs, many of which, almost all of which, have nothing to do

with the privacy and civilities of Americans. And, Jamil, just briefly, on those two examples, you know, the meeting with Bashar al-Assad

and the comments about Snowden, why do those two examples in particular sound alarm bells

within the intelligence community?

Well, look, obviously, if you want to be representing all of the 17 intelligence agencies

...