This is Intelligence Matters with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell.

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Your mission is ours.

You've been to North Korea.

What's it like to visit?

It was fascinating to be able to go in and confirm many of the things, many of the assumptions

that I had about North Korea to revise the number of them, to bring a human face to an

academic understanding, importance of individuals, understanding the importance of culture.

You get a sense that every North Korean is a survivor.

They're surviving in a very harsh environment.

And so going there and getting a feel for that really deep in my appreciation for what

you might call the ontological dimensions of North Korea.

What is it that makes North Korea different?

You've dealt directly with North Korean officials.

What is that like?

Negotiations with North Korea are never easy.

And often you walk away with a question of whether a negotiation had actually taken place

or simply in exchange of views.

We are always limited in the level with whom we engage based Pomp Young's intent.

So what is Kim Jong Un like as a person, as a leader?

How would you describe him?

I like to deflect attention away from elements of Kim's personality.

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