As any writer, literary person will tell you, that a fresh eye knew people coming in and looking at this thing, they don't make fools in themselves. They find things that nobody else has seen. They find things that I took for granted 15, 20 years ago. You know. I mean, I'm, I'm I'm I can I can send that to the bank. I mean I read it all the time

People in New York can be open-minded because they meet a lot of different people from a lot of different backgrounds.

And so when people find out what I do, then they're like, oh, that's so cool.

Like what do you do?

Where do you go?

And the thing, they ask if they can go, which more people asked if they could go or

come hunting with me sometime that I have any bandwidth or capacity for it.

We still have a functioning Democratic Republic where people's opinions do matter and people need to decide what it is they think

independent of of misinformation or whatever and that goes back to journalism.

The people who what they seek in this deep experience, this deep spiritual experience, it's there in the hunt.

Hello everybody and welcome back.

This is Hal hearing about Country Hunters and anglers podcast and blast. I'm still in the teaming

beehive of Las Vegas, Nevada at the shot show which is a mixed bag but got to see the COBRA new

357 which was pretty much the reason I was on the floor down there.

More on that some other day.

I'm with Natalie Krebs and it's interesting I followed Natalie's work for the last couple of years.

A big story that just came out about a

trip in the boundary waters, which I've always wanted to do in the winter. And I

wanted it was it's it's a I'm proud to have Natalie here with me I was glad to catch up to her and

she's a senior editor at Outdoor Life and Field and Stream

rights for both publications right and is a actual journalism

practitioner in a day and age when that's hard to find. So Natalie with the

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