Narcissist Expert: You're 8 Steps Away From Never Getting F*CKED With Again | Dr Caroline Fleck PT 1

Women of Impact

Impact Theory

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education

4.8 • 701 Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Women of Impact with Lisa Bilyeu: Dr. Caroline Fleck on Validation, Boundaries, and Dealing with Toxic People - Part 1 Get ready for a truly transformative episode of “Women of Impact” as Lisa Bilyeu welcomes Dr. Caroline Fleck, Stanford-trained clinical psychologist and author, for an unfiltered conversation about facing the most challenging personalities in our lives. Dr. Fleck, renowned for her expertise working with individuals with severe personality disorders, unpacks her research-based, eight-step method for validation, communication, and boundary-setting. In Part 1, Lisa and Dr. Fleck lay the groundwork for understanding validation as a powerful tool in navigating toxic dynamics. Dr. Fleck reveals the core ingredients of her ACCEPTED framework, discusses the critical skill of “attending” and “copying” during conflict, and shares science-backed tactics for de-escalating the impossible. Learn why setting boundaries is a true act of compassion, how “extinction bursts” show up in arguments, and why even narcissists feel safer when boundaries are clear. SHOWNOTES The truth about validation—what it means and how it cuts through toxicityStep 1: Attending—active listening with purposeStep 2: Copying—mirroring as a tool to build rapport and calm conflictStep 3: Contextualizing—making sense of behavior through historyStep 4: Equalizing—seeing the situation through the other’s eyesStep 5: Proposing—“mind reading” and how Oprah does itStep 6: Taking Action—when and how to intervene to support, not enableStep 7: Emote—using shared emotion to deepen connection, or when to simply witnessStep 8: Disclose—using personal stories to break shame and isolation FOLLOW DR. CAROLINE FLECK:Website: https://www.drcarolinefleck.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/carolinefleckphd TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drcarolinefleck Check out our sponsors: SleepMe: Visit https://sleep.me/woi to get your Chilipad and save 20% with code WOI. Try it risk-free with their 30-night sleep trial and free shipping! Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code WOI at check out. Macy’s: Upgrade your glam at https://macys.com Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/lisa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:03.0	Now, tell me if this hits you.
1:05.0	Have you ever been in a conversation with someone who's toxic as freaking hell,
1:08.4	and no matter what you say, they just twist and dismiss or
1:11.3	straighten up, dominate the whole damn conversation. And you walk away feelings not only small,
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