From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

Perhaps no Democratic politician has been a greater antagonist of Donald Trump than Nancy Pelosi.

As the leader of the House Democrats between 2007 and 2023, she participated

in two Trump impeachments, memorably ripped up a copy of Trump's last state of the union after he

delivered it, and had an angry mob on January 6th hunting for her inside the Capitol. And over the

summer, it was Pelosi, who was reportedly a key voice in convincing Biden

to step down and give another Democrat a shot at beating Trump.

Well, we all know now how that story ended.

Vice President Kamala Harris suffered a stinging loss in Tuesday's election.

Republicans regained control of the Senate,

and even though the House has yet to be called for either party,

the strength of the GOP's turnout is undeniable,

as Republicans made inroads in heavily Democratic areas across the country.

Now, Trump is the president-elect,

with a sweeping mandate and promises to undo many of Pelosi and the Democrats' legislative achievements. In her first extended interview

since her party's defeat, Pelosi sat down with me at the Times offices in Washington, D.C. on

Thursday evening. You know, we're trying to win the House right now.

And she seemed to still be coming to terms with what had happened.

So, oh my gosh, it's wild.

Even as Democrats point fingers over who exactly is to blame,

Pelosi seemed unwilling to concede

that her party had been handed a crushing electoral rebuke,

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