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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Naming expert shares the process behind creating billion-dollar brand names like Azure, Vercel, Windsurf, Sonos, Blackberry, and Impossible Burger | David Placek (Lexicon Branding)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Lenny Rachitsky

Technology, Business, Entrepreneurship

51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 June 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

David Placek is the founder of Lexicon Branding, a company that focuses exclusively on the development of brand names for competitive advantage. Lexicon is behind iconic names such as Sonos, Microsoft’s Azure, Windsurf, Vercel, Impossible Foods, BlackBerry, Intel’s Pentium, Apple’s PowerBook, and Swiffer. Over 40 years, David’s team has named nearly 4,000 brands and companies, employing over 250 linguists and pioneering naming innovation.

What you’ll learn:

1. The three-step process that generated names like Windsurf and Vercel

2. How a name can give you the edge that no marketing budget can buy

3. Why you won’t “know it when you see it”

4. Why Microsoft called Azure “a dumb name” before it became their billion-dollar cloud platform

5. Why polarizing opinions are the strongest signal that you’ve found the right name

6. How every letter of the alphabet creates a specific psychological vibration

7. The diamond framework: a 4-step process any founder can use to find their perfect name

8. Why domain names don’t matter anymore in the age of AI

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Where to find David Placek:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-placek-05a82/

• Website: https://www.lexiconbranding.com

Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to David and Lexicon Branding

(04:44) The story of Sonos

(09:27) The psychology of naming

(11:33) The initial resistance to Microsoft's Azure

(14:35) The importance of a great brand name

(18:11) The three steps of naming: create, invent, implement

(28:23) Qualities of great brand name creators

(31:24) How long the naming process takes

(32:12) The Windsurf case study

(36:10) Naming in the AI era

(39:37) When to change your name

(43:10) The role of linguists

(45:54) The power of letters in branding

(48:15) The Vercel case study

(50:12) The implementation phase

(52:52) Client management and market success

(55:16) The diamond exercise

(01:04:23) Suspending judgment

(01:07:31) Polarization and boldness

(01:11:01) Domain names

(01:12:48) Final thoughts and lightning round

Referenced:

• PowerBook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook

• Pentium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium

• BlackBerry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry

• Swiffer: https://www.swiffer.com/

• Impossible Burger: https://impossiblefoods.com/

• Vercel: https://vercel.com/

• Windsurf: https://windsurf.com/

• CapCut: https://www.capcut.com/

• Azure: https://azure.microsoft.com/

• Sonos: https://www.sonos.com/

• John MacFarlane on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-macfarlane-08a8aa20/

Harry Potter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(film_series)

The Call of the Wild: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_the_Wild

• Everyone’s an engineer now: Inside v0’s mission to create a hundred million builders | Guillermo Rauch (founder and CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 and Next.js): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch

• Sound symbolism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_symbolism

• Anduril: https://www.anduril.com/

• Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/

• Inside Bolt: From near-death to ~$40m ARR in 5 months—one of the fastest-growing products in history | Eric Simons (founder and CEO of StackBlitz): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-bolt-eric-simons

• The rise of Cursor: The $300M ARR AI tool that engineers can’t stop using | Michael Truell (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-rise-of-cursor-michael-truell

• Building a magical AI code editor used by over 1 million developers in four months: The untold story of Windsurf | Varun Mohan (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-untold-story-of-windsurf-varun-mohan

• Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/

• Chevrolet Corvette: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette

• Viagra: https://www.viagra.com/

• In vino veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas

• Infoseek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infoseek

• Andy Grove: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove

Churchill at War on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81609374

Yellowstone on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Yellowstone-Season-1/dp/B07D7FBB8Z

1883 on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/1883-Season-1/dp/B0B8JTS8QW

1923 on Paramount+: https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/1923/

• Taylor Sheridan on X: https://x.com/taylorSheridan

• Hardy fly rods: https://www.hardyfishing.com/collections/fly-rods

• T.E. Lawrence quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11340-all-men-dream-but-not-equally-those-who-dream-by

Lawrence of Arabia: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056172/

DreamWorks: https://www.dreamworks.com/

Recommended books:

Thucydides’ Melian Dialogue: Commentary, Text, and Vocabulary: https://www.amazon.com/Thucydides-Melian-Dialogue-Commentary-Vocabulary/dp/0692772367

Resilience: Hard-Won Wisdom for Living a Better Life: https://www.amazon.com/Resilience-Hard-Won-Wisdom-Living-Better/dp/054432398X/

Churchill: Walking with Destiny: https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Walking-Destiny-Andrew-Roberts/dp/1101980990

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Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Your brand name, nothing's going to be used more often or for longer than that name.

0:05.0

Design will change, message will change, products will change, but that name is there.

0:09.6

What's a name that you came up with that you have to fight super hard for that the client just hated?

0:14.0

When we presented Sonos, it was rejected because it's not entertainment like.

0:18.5

We argued about that because I said, this is outside looking in,

0:21.6

but I don't see you as an entertainment company.

0:23.6

Humans do like to be comfortable.

0:26.6

Part of our job here is to help people

0:28.6

to give the confidence going bigger and being uncomfortable.

0:32.6

There's a quote that I found of yours,

0:34.6

if your team is comfortable with the name,

0:35.6

chances are you don't have the name yet. We look for polarization. We look for tension in a team arguing about these things. Polarization is a

0:44.0

sign of strength in the word. Most clients, they come to a naming project absolutely believing

0:50.7

with full confidence that they're going to know it when they see it.

0:54.4

And the truth is it almost never happens.

0:57.3

Most people listening to this are founders, a lot of PMs on product teams.

1:00.7

Let's say they have a couple weeks.

1:01.6

Got to come up with a name.

1:02.7

What should they do?

1:04.7

Today, my guest is David Placic.

1:07.0

David is the founder of Lexicon Branding, which pioneered the field of brand, and invented a few names that you may have heard of, including PowerBook, Pentium, Blackberry, Swiffer, The Impossible Burger, also Versel and Windsurf and Capcut and Azure.

1:22.0

In her conversation, David opens up about the very specific process that he and his team go through to find winning names,

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