You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

Suddenly, the leader of the smuggling boat would shout everyone down the lower deck.

He grabbed me and basically say, you are the child.

I want you to claw inside this little tunnel all the way until you can't go any further.

And he took some panels off.

There was this tunnel. So I crawled all the way up to can't go any further. And he took some panels off. There was this tunnel, so I claw all the way up to the bow of the boat, really narrow, and you could feel the wave hitting the board of the boat

on your back.

I could hear bang, bang, bang, bang, nail hitting the panel, and we were nailed in in darkness.

That's Andrew Kwong. He's now a doctor and works in New South Wales in the southeast of Australia.

Hi, Andrew. Can you hear me? Hi, how are you? Well, thanks, Emily. You know what's actually quite funny

is that when we rang up to book this GDA that you're sitting in right now, we said your name,

we said Andrew Kwong, and they knew who you were and apparently you're very well liked by all of your patients.

Oh, that's so nice of them.

And when Andrew Kwong welcomes those patients into his surgery each day,

his background isn't something he's open about.

He was born in the Chinese city of Zhongshan in the 1950s,

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