psychology desperately wants to be hard science and it will never be. It was never intended to be

the end-all be-all in personality assessment. There's a lot of benefit to it, but it's definitely

not complete, not even close. I think that the Big Five has a glowing reputation that it may or may not

have earned. And I think Myers-Briggs has a vilified reputation that I believe it definitely did not

earn.

I welcome back to the Personality Hacker podcast. My name is Joel Mark Witt. And I'm Antonia Dodge.

So last night, Antonio, I was upstairs doing something. I came downstairs and you were asleep on the couch. It was very late.

And I was going to wake you up and both of us go up to the bedroom. But I noticed that you had an

interview on with Brett Weinstein. No, his brother, Eric Weinstein. He was being interviewed by Chris

Williamson. I Wisdom. Yes.

They were having a conversation.

And I just started hearing what they were talking about. It's like a three hour podcast, so I started it. Oh, yeah. And it was just way too late, and I just clunked out. So it was around hour one. Yeah. When I came into the room, I hear them talking. So I sit down on the edge of the couch. Two hours later, I stand up and take you up to the

bedroom. It was like the middle of the night. I just couldn't. It was enraptured. Yeah. Great conversation.

I don't even know when this was published. A few weeks ago. Well, no, it must have been a couple

months ago, actually. Yeah. Anyway, it was great. They were talking about at one point, they were talking

about personality types. And Eric knows Jordan Peterson. And Jordan Peterson is into a personality type model. We're going to talk about today, the big five. He was talking about how Jordan Peterson. Yeah, he knows how to like give people to remind his breaks type, but he really understands the big five. And that's where the real gold is and understanding a system and how you can apply it. Yes, yes. And to that point, I've heard Jordan Peterson say stuff, you know, about the system and all of this. So the big five is a big deal. It's something that I think a lot of people are familiar with. It's something that a lot of psychologists and professionals will use in their work. It's on podcast. People are talking about it. Right. I just heard it last night. Yet again, people are talking about this. And it's how useful it is. Yeah, Myers-Briggs, whatever, marginalize it, but really the big five. That's where the gold is. Yet again. I was a little frustrated by this. Like, okay, here we go again. So let's talk about this today yeah is there first of all is

there value in other systems outside the raspberry system I think we would say yes there's value

in all of these systems of course yeah absolutely I'm not saying any systems like no that's

invalid you can't look at that system yeah clearly the big five is used by people it has

value I think that we can we can unpack some of that today on this

episode. Have you used it personally? What's your relationship to it? Not really. I mean, I'm very

aware of the Big Five. Another acronym for it is Ocean. And I've been aware of that typology system where like that, I mean, I guess

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