I'm starting a new show where I have conversations with the greatest living founders.

The show is called David Senra. It will be on a separate podcast feed from founders.

The first episode is with Daniel Eck, who's one of the wisest people I know, and I've learned a lot

from Daniel and private conversations. It was actually from one of our conversations that I decided

I should start recording these so other people can learn from them too.

You are about to hear the very first episode in full, but make sure you follow David

Senora on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you're listening to this, so you don't miss

future episodes. I've already recorded a bunch with some of the best founders on the planet.

Nothing is changing with Founders

Podcasts. I'm still making new episodes of founders and will do so for the rest of my life. I hope

you enjoy this conversation and don't forget to follow the new show, David Senora, now.

So I want to consider this conversation, like a continuation of the conversation we had last year in New York.

It was by far the most impactful conversation I had the entire year.

It is in large part the reason we're sitting down and actually recording this conversation.

And what I loved was I thought about how the advice you gave and the stories you told really fundamentally changed my approach to my work and then also like my philosophy of how I'm living my life.

And because you, it's very rare like this year I'm going to hit over 400 biographies read for the podcast, right?

And somebody asked me recently, it's like, do you ever uncover new ideas? It's like, no, I feel like I'm telling the same story, the same personality type over and over and over again. And you'll get a new idea or a novel idea every once in a while, but certainly not all the time. Yeah. But you shared something at the dinner that was a truly novel idea. And then a few months later, I read this interview. And I was like, oh, I'm not the only one that Daniel's advice changed the career. So I'm going to read something. There was an interview given by the CEO of Uber, who's a friend of yours, Dara. Yeah. And I'm going to read this excerpt, which was absolutely perfect. And he was talking about contemplating, should I take this job or not. Like, this is a huge opportunity, but also, like, kind of scary. And this is tied to your idea that you should optimize for impact over happiness. I haven't heard anybody else articulate that. And so Darcy says, I was reading about all the issues happening with Uber and the news, the various challenges that were coming up there. So when I first got the call to be the CEO, I said, heck no, I'm not crazy. I'm not up for this. But I had one particular conversation that really shifted me, which was with Daniel Eck, who's a good friend. And I still remember, I was talking to him about my career at Expedia and how happy I was. And he looks at me, and he looks at me, and he goes, since when is life about happiness?

It's about impact.

You can have an impact on Uber, which is a really important company in the world that's shaping the future of cities.

And I thought to myself, my God, this is so obvious, I've got to take a shot. I knew it was

going to be uncomfortable. Can you just explain how you think about optimizing for impact or

happiness and why? Well, first off, it's incredibly kind of Dara to say that. You know,

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