Hi everybody this is God's out for the South Truth.

Today I have one of those rare situations where I have a repeat guest.

He was so good the first time that I had to implore him to come back on this show Dr Paul Offett.

How are you doing sir?

I'm good happy to be back.

Oh, thank you so much.

Okay, let me just read.

I need to not wear glasses because apparently I'm old. You are the Maurice R Hillman Professor of Vaccinology and Professor of Pediatrics at the Perilaman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania,

former Chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases

and the Director of the Vaccine Education Center

at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia,

co-inventor of a rotavirus vaccine. so you're certainly well qualified to talk about what

we've been facing the last few years, author of over 150 scientific articles.

I won't mention all of your books, but I'll mention at least the two books that have come out since the last time you were on, which was in April 2020.

You bet your life from transfusions to mass vaccination, the long and risky history of medical innovation,

and the one that I just read recently causing me to make sure to call you back on the show,

Overkill, which I'd like to spend some time talking about, that I cover some of the key points. Is that good?

Yeah, sounds good. Okay, so let's let's begin with obviously what probably most people would want to know.

We spoke at the start of the

pandemic where even back then if I remember correctly you were saying well you know

let's not go crazy in terms of the draconian measures that we might implement. Life is about trade-offs, cost benefits. Fast forward now three years later. Give us the big synopsis. Where are we? Where did we go wrong? What did we do right? Give it to us all right? We had to go wrong

because it was a new virus. It was a new disease. We definitely you learn as you go and you know in terms of therapies or diagnostics you know you're

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