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The Bunker

Mutiny in the UK – How the SDP explains Reform UK – with Steve Richards

The Bunker

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News, Politics, Society & Culture, Government

4.6984 Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

The SDP blasted through politics in the early 80s, hoovering up blockbuster by-election wins and a quarter of the national vote. They were a gift to the Thatcher Government – splitting the opposition vote and ensuring Tory power. So how come today’s insurgents, Reform UK, aren’t seen as a boon to Starmer but a mortal threat to Labour *and* the Conservatives? Steve Richards of the Rock & Roll Politics podcast takes Andrew Harrison back to the heady days of the Gang Of Four to see what the SDP can tell us about the power and the possible fate of Farage’s bandwagon.  Listen to the Rock & Roll Politics podcast with Steve Richards.  • Support us on Patreon for early episodes and more. • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to indeed.com/bunker to get your £100 sponsored credit.    Written and presented by Group Editor Andrew Harrison. Audio production by Tom Taylor. Produced by Liam Tait. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:04.1

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0:09.7

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0:27.5

Hello and welcome back to The Bunker, your daily news and politics explainer. I'm Andrew Harrison.

0:36.0

On today's edition, a maverick breakaway party with high-profile charismatic leadership is driving a coaching horses through conventional politics.

0:38.3

They build a coalition of angry voters who feel betrayed by the main parties and disillusioned with politics as usual. After a seismic

0:43.5

by-election win, they start to rack up unprecedented votes of 22 to 27% in local and general elections,

0:49.9

and all the talk is that two-party politics is over. Behind the scenes, things are not quite as convivial among the larger than life figures in the leadership as they might seem.

0:59.0

While that does not seem to stop the party's momentum, there is even talk that they could form the next government.

1:04.5

Now, because of the title of this podcast, you know we're not talking about reform, we're talking about the SDP,

1:08.9

the centrist social democratic party, formed in 1981

1:12.4

by the gang of four of breakaway labour grandees, Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill Rogers.

1:18.6

What frustrated centrist Labour MPs failed to do with Change UK in the Corbyn years, the SDP achieved.

1:25.4

They were a viable new centre party that won seats. But what

1:28.7

fascinates me now is what's the story of the SDP tells us about the challenge of reform.

1:34.6

Back in 1981, when I was a politics-obsessed teenager, the SDP, to me, with a party that split

1:40.4

the anti-government vote, giving Margaret Thatcher a free ride in her early years, and the

1:45.0

lesson I learned then was that the opposition is split, then the government has it easy. Now, in 2025,

1:51.2

reform is splitting the opposition vote, the one in Roncorn and Halesby, and are projected to have

1:55.5

taken about 30% of the local elections vote compared to the Tories 15%. But nobody thinks they're making the Labour government's life easy.

2:03.5

So why was a new insurgent party a gift to the sitting government in the early 80s,

2:07.8

but it's now apparently a mortal threat?

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