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The Ben Ferguson Podcast

MUST SHARE: Kenyans Told "Venture West to Minnesota & Fleece Taxpayers w Fraud"

The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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News Commentary, News, Politics

4.8 • 5.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

1. Scope of Fraud

  • The testimony describes large‑scale, systemic fraud within Minnesota’s Child Care Assistance Program (CCAP).
  • Individual childcare centers allegedly billed hundreds of thousands to over $1 million annually, often with no real children present.

2. Organized and Long‑Running Scheme

  • Fraud was not isolated or accidental; it showed characteristics of a loosely organized criminal enterprise operating for years (at least 2014–2019).
  • Some perpetrators reportedly learned about the scheme before arriving in the U.S., indicating cross‑border knowledge of vulnerabilities in the system.

3. Common Fraud Methods

  • Billing for nonexistent children and extended hours (e.g., multiple shifts, 7 days a week).
  • Operating “paper” childcare centers that closed immediately once payments were stopped.
  • Kickback arrangements involving parents, co‑owners, or employees.
  • Reusing addresses and reopening under new business names after enforcement actions.

4. Evidence Gathered by Investigators

  • Physical surveillance showed centers operating without children or staff.
  • Electronic evidence (texts, phones, computers) revealed admissions of fraud and intent to profit.
  • Investigations led to multiple felony convictions, including at least one federal case with prison time and restitution exceeding $1 million.

5. Overwhelming Volume of Fraud

  • Investigators received so many credible tips that they had to prioritize only the highest‑dollar cases.
  • Centers billing less than ~$700,000 often could not be addressed due to limited resources.

6. Internal Resistance and Obstruction

  • According to the whistleblower, senior DHS officials discouraged, undermined, or obstructed investigations once fraud became large and visible.
  • Actions alleged include:
    • Attempts to alter or suppress information sent to the Legislative Auditor
    • Harassment and intimidation of investigators
    • Organizational changes that reduced investigators’ authority
    • Procedural delays that significantly reduced investigative capacity

7. Retaliation Against Whistleblowers

  • Investigators who pushed fraud cases reportedly faced:
    • Threats and bullying
    • Negative performance actions
    • Loss of decision‑making power
  • The whistleblower ultimately resigned, stating he would not be complicit.

8. Failure of Oversight

  • The testimony suggests institutional tolerance of fraud, contrasting sharply with standards enforced in law enforcement agencies.
  • The whistleblower emphasizes that minor theft would not have been tolerated in his prior roles, while millions in losses were allowed to continue at DHS.

9. Federal Intervention

  • Federal agencies (FBI, IRS‑CI, HHS‑OIG) eventually became involved due to the scale and nature of suspected crimes.
  • Raids, indictments, and convictions occurred after years of state‑level warnings.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:04.8

From an owner's cell phone, I was showing a text conversation between the owner of the center and a friend.

0:10.9

The friend had asked the owner, how much longer are you going to do the daycare scam?

0:15.3

The owner replied, another year or two.

0:17.7

I'm going to buy some nice homes in Nairobi.

0:20.1

You're listening to the 47 morning

0:22.0

update with Ben Ferguson. Good Thursday morning. Nice to have you with us on the 47 morning update,

0:28.0

and we've got a bombshell for you. Governor Tim Walts in Minnesota, a no-show at the Minnesota

0:34.3

House Oversight hearing. But those that were testifying, they had a lot to say.

0:39.7

And you'll understand exactly why Governor Waltz went in hid, making sure he was nowhere

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