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visit intelligence squared.com and sign up to the newsletter. If this weren't such a distinguished panel I'd be feeling emasculated after that

roll call but I think we'll we'll live up to the challenge of what else you're doing later this season.

I like the idea that Intelligence Squared works in seasons.

Of course, Museum do, but not in the same way that things like football do.

And even now in the close season, our newspapers are dominated by the stories of what's going to happen in the next season.

And yet, this is a cliche but it's a

fact as well more people go to museums and galleries in Britain every year than go to

professional football matches however what those statistics actually tell us about the viewer's relationship to the art itself

and whether it matters or not is not something that is necessarily revealed.

But it's something that we're going to kick about tonight with a panel that is made

up of Alan de Boisson, Ben Lewis, Matthew Taylor, who will be speaking for the motion, which

I'll tell you about in a minute, but I think you know it anyway. And against the motion which I'll tell you about in a minute but I think you know it anyway

and against the motion Matthew Collins Chris Durcon and Sandy Nan the motion itself

is that museums are bad at telling us why art matters and what I want to do first,

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