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Murder & The Menendez Brothers: A Court TV Mystery - Episode 5: The Confession

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4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 21 July 2020

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Content Warning: This episode contains graphic descriptions of sexual abuse and brief offensive language. Listener discretion is advised. Long before Lyle and Eric Menendez admitted to the world they had killed their parents, they admitted it to someone else – their psychologist Jerome Oziel, who had recorded the brother’s confessions during a therapy session. After a years-long legal battle that went all the way to the California Supreme Court, parts of the confessional tapes were deemed admissible and played for the jurors. The tapes opened the door for another drama to play out in the courtroom – that between Oziel and his former patient- turned-mistress Judalon Smyth, who returns to the Menendez saga as a witness for the defense. For more Court TV and to see our coverage of the first Menendez trial on demand, go to CourtTV.com. To see part one of Lyle and Erik’s confession tape admission into evidence, click here. To see part one of Judalon Smyth’s three-part testimony, click here.

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We've all been there. We think we're on a roll. We think we've got a win in sight. By fall of 1993, Leslie Abramson might have been hoping that her client's gutting testimony had convinced skeptics.

0:15.1

Had made jurors realize that both men had been sexually abused and feared for their lives.

0:20.6

Were you scared? Mary.

0:24.0

Did you ask him not to?

0:26.0

Yes.

0:28.0

How did you ask him not to?

0:30.0

I just told him.

0:32.0

I don't, I don't.

0:34.0

I don't.

0:37.0

I'm, I'm sorry. I just all admit that I didn't want to do this and that it hurt me. And he said that he didn't mean to hurt me. He loved me.

1:01.6

To seal her case, Abramson wanted to bring in four expert witnesses, trusted sources who

1:07.1

could back up Eric and Lyle's testimony, people who knew tell-tale ways abused children acted later in life.

1:14.4

Little did Abramson know those experts were going to backfire

1:18.8

because they had inadvertently paved the way for the confession tape to be played in court after nearly four years of having kept it out. I'm your host Vinny Polytan and this is Murder and the Menendez Brothers, a court TV

1:40.2

mystery. I'm a former prosecutor and journalist and now I'm the lead anchor for court TV.

1:47.0

Today episode 5 the confession.

1:52.0

Using psychologist as experts in court wasn't all that common in the 90s.

1:56.0

The defenses experts were there to prove the brothers killed out of fear.

2:00.0

But we're now ready to resume and we have both juries back in court and the defense may call

2:07.8

us next witness.

2:08.8

Thank you, Your Honor.

2:09.8

The defense calls Dr. Ann Burgess. Dr.

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