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Today on the program, one of the most fascinating people I have ever spoken to in this business

you hear me mention his name all the time and for very good reason.

His name is Phil Houston. He's author of the book, Spy the Lie, which by the way you should totally buy.

It's available still in New York time bestseller and for very good reason, there too.

Phil spent 25 years in the CIA conducting interrogations around the world.

Half the time he was figuring out whether somebody was a terrorist and the other half.

He was here domestically trying to figure out whether one of our agents had been turned.

I mean, this is literally a human lie detector.

That's what he is and he can tell you the signs to look for.

If you're trying to see if someone is lying, this is a special man and a special guest.

Trust me today Phil and his team are going to take a look at key moments in the trial of Alex Murdock in South Carolina.

And the case against Brian Colberger, the suspected killer of four college students in Idaho.

You you're going to love this when Phil listens to Alex Murdock's 911 call made after he says he found out.

He says he found stumbled upon the bodies of his wife and son does fill detect deception.

And what about Brian Colberger's first traffic stop when he was traversing from Washington state back home to Pennsylvania got pulled over.

He's got thoughts.

But we begin with dramatic moments in the Murdock trial.

A police investigator on the stand insisting that Alex Murdock admitted to him on tape that Murdock killed his son.

This is brand new information and Brevner is a trial attorney and author of the book Justice in the age of judgment from Amanda Knox to Kyle Rittenhouse and the battle for due process in the digital age.

And has been watching this trial very closely and she joins me now and great to have you here.

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