Welcome into another episode. Now sitting down, Marshall Ramsey, you know him as

illustrator, two-time Pulitzer finalists, cartoonists,

newspaper industry for a really long time,

and now heading up the Mississippi Media Lab on the Ole Miss campus in connection with the New Jordan Center.

We'll talk about all those things as well.

But really, just want to, as we do on the show,

talk to interesting people, and Marshall definitely one of those.

Marshall, we were chatting a little bit prior to

hitting the button and I'm sure there's some skills and some elements that I can get you on,

but this might be the most lopsided conversation in the world from a drawing skill standpoint.

I almost fell kindergarten and I blame it on being left-handed. My parents told me I should have been a

doctor because of how bad my penmanship is.

So I will say off the start, I am incredibly impressed by anything you can do with a pen and paper

or any type of cartoon and art because when I went through the line, that was not one that I got any type of capability for. So I appreciate the time today and to tell you, in that one way at least, I'm in awe a little bit of you. Well, as they said, that chicken restaurant, my pleasure for being on today, but also, too, I can't draw a straight line. That's why they make rulers. You know, I'm just really good at making a lot of crooked lines. And sometimes they even connect. I can't, I seriously, and I think it's just because I'm getting older and blinder. I mean, my lines don't connect anymore, but it's fun. And I tell you what, I'm just like I said, I'm really honored to be on with you today. So it's so many different topics, but I do want to start there. And I don't know the answer. I kind of intentionally did just enough

research to have a lot of questions. When did you get into drawing? I mean, did you grow up with

that? And then what sort of what's the catch between, hey, this is something I enjoy or something

I'm good at or an art. And, hey, I can elicit commentary with that. How does that play out over the course of somebody's life?

When I was two, my mom figured out I could draw and it was how she could keep me quiet in church.

That literally is how I got started. She would give me paper and crayons just to shut me up.

And it worked because I loved it. And when I was a kid, I was growing up in Georgia in the 70s and Jimmy Carter was our governor and he was running for president. And I thought that was really cool. My family's Republican, right? But they didn't care. They just thought that I was interested in it. And I would love opening up the newspapers and seeing these cartoons of Jimmy Carter with big teeth and all. Because I love Mad Magazine, right? It's an old magazine back from that time.

And I just, I walked up to my dad when I was eight years old and told him, I want to be an

editorial cartoonist, which is the weirdest thing a child can possibly tell their dad. And my dad's

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