All right, Alexander, let's talk about the diplomacy that took place the other day in Moscow

between the United States and Russia, with Khrushchev, Kushner, with Putin, Ushikov, and Dimitriev.

What were your thoughts on the meeting?

Five hours long.

Well, five hours a lot.

It was a very long meeting, and indeed, one wonders what they talk about for five hours long. Well, five hours a lot, it was a very long meeting and indeed one wonders what they

talk about for five hours because I can't believe it's just about Ukraine because it's quite

clear that on the Ukraine issue, there was no, there was no real movement.

The Americans came with what I suspect was their original 28 points,

which has now been reduced to 27. At least that's what the Russians are telling us. That's what

Uschakoff said to us. The Russians said what they've been saying for, well, several weeks now.

Uschikov has said it. Peskov has said it, Putin himself has said it. These are interesting ideas, but they're discussion points. They're not a plan.

We're prepared to sit down with the Americans and we're prepared to talk about this.

Apparently, Kushner and Wigoff brought four other documents with them.

Four.

So five documents altogether.

I suspect the original one, the original 28, 27 points.

The other four, who knows what they are, 19 points, 22 points, European ideas, all kinds of other things.

According to Ushikov, they didn't discuss the wording of any of these documents.

Putin said in general terms, we are happy to discuss this, set up proper negotiating teams, get your

people organised, and we're prepared to meet, and we're prepared to have a proper discussion.

But there is a lot of work to do.

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