Welcome to the Laverne Cox Show, a production of Shondaland audio in partnership with IHeart Radio.

I know that the reason people harm me is because they have been harmed and they are doing harm to themselves.

So I want to break the circuitry of self-sabotage, and I want to teach people, healing is possible.

And I think that that is why trans people were historically

regarded as spiritual leaders because of our mastery of metamorphosis.

And what I mean by that is that this world teaches us

that everything is fixed and cannot be changed.

And then trans people

enter and we say, we can change everything. In 2016, I was a part of an amazing documentary on

HBO called The Translist. And featured in that documentary was a person by the name of Aloke Bade Minnan.

And the moment Aalek came onto the screen, I was enchanted by their charisma and their deep, deep knowledge.

I felt like A loke was just connected to some energy, some spirit that is

beyond.

Aalke is a gender non-binary writer and mixed media performance artist.

They are the author of Fem in Public and Beyond the Gender Binary.

In 2019, they were honored as one of NBC's Pride 50 and Out Magazine's

Out 100. They have presented their work in more than 40 countries. I knew that I wanted to have a

conversation on this podcast about gender nonconformity and A Loke will take us beyond.

And that's where we need to go, honey.

Please enjoy my conversation with the Loke-laid Minan.

Hello, Alok, and welcome to the podcast.

How are you feeling today, darling?

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