I'm David Goldstein, senior fellow at Civic Ventures.

If you're a regular listener of pitchfork economics, you know that we spend an awful

lot of time tearing down the dominant neoliberal paradigm while constructing a new narrative

that we think better describes how the economy really works.

But a new paper by Kyle Strickland and Felicia Wong of the Roosevelt Institute argues

that critiquing neoliberalism isn't enough.

According to Strickland and Wong, if we want to take racial justice seriously, we need

to acknowledge that race and the economy are inextricably linked.

And that means ending the era of racial liberalism that has worked hand in hand with neoliberalism

to sustain our nation's indefensible levels of income and wealth inequality between

the races and particularly between white and black households.

I talked with Strickland about what racial liberalism is, and how by pretending that the

market is colorblind, it plays a central role in perpetuating racial inequality.

I hope you find the conversation as informative and instructive as I did.

My name is Kyle Strickland.

I'm the Deputy Director of Race and Democracy at the Roosevelt Institute, a faint tank

dedicated to advancing economic democracy for the many, not the few, and want to highlight

our new report, which is a new paradigm for justice and democracy moving beyond the

twin failures of neoliberalism and racial liberalism and how we can create a more just

equitable society to more multiracial inclusive democracy.

For our audience, if you could just lay out the main thesis to start, that would be useful.

Of course.

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