7th

, Avenue. You and me.

What is this?

This is a group called Redbone.

What's the name of the song? They're a Native American rock group performing,

We Are All Wounded at Wounded Knee.

That's great.

Redbone sounds familiar to me. That's that's really great. Now I know what I've been doing this weekend. I'll be looking up redbone. You and me we were all wounded. The Lord is with the with the Make it back a turn! This is hell. This is hell.

Another end of the world is possible.

This is hell and there is an end of the world that you may not have considered.

I know I hadn't thought about it and that's the end of the world because we thought all we had to do was be pals, be friends, that we all

needed to just get along to stop the end of the world as we know it.

In fact, if we want to end our planet- threatening systems of cruelty and violence, we're going to have to do it with people who frankly

We don't like it all as political theorist Jody Dean pointed out on the show back in 2019. More than anything, we need to be comrades,

more than we need to be friends or even allies. We, as our guest today, argues, cannot limit a movement to a small click of people we like hanging out

with. If we don't work hand in hand with those we'd rather not hold hands with, there's not going to be much of a movement at all.

Hell, the wealthy don't like each other, but as our guest points out, that doesn't stop them

from working in coordination to protect their own interests. In a few minutes we are going to have the

wonderful honor of speaking with award-winning, the nominee, organizer, and writer Kelly Hayes,

who co-wrote the Boston Review essay,

How Much Discomfort is the Whole World Worth.

Movement building requires a culture of listening,

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