Greetings and welcome to the Pastor Mike Drop podcast.

I am Mike Householder, and I'm humbled to be your host, and I'm excited, as always, to be joined by Emily Lang Paul.

Hello.

Hello, co-host, Emily. How are you?

I'm great. How are you?

I'm just absolutely great. I'm really excited to have this conversation.

We're calling this episode the most integrated hour because there's this accusation against the church,

which has got some truth to it, that suggests that the most

segregated hour of the week is worship in almost any church in America, racially segregated,

ethnically segregated, economically segregated. And here at Hope, we are excited because those

walls are coming down. And boundaries are, you know,

people are coming together in harmony and in unison. And to that end, we have some special

guests with us today. Yes, we do. We have campus pastors at Hope Elam in downtown Des Moines,

Pastor John Annanson and Pastor Michael Hurst. Welcome.

Hey, guys. Good to see you. These guys are great. And if you don't know them, if you're

if you're part of the Hope family, you do know them. If you aren't a part of the Hope family and you

just tune into this podcast, you're going to love these guys. Michael's been a pastor for, well, a long time.

We've been friends for a long time.

We met way back when.

Pastor John has been a pastor in the city of Des Moines for over a decade now for us at Hope, our campus there.

And we, yeah, we got this crazy vision.

Michael and John, myself, and others, leaders of our churches,

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