I'm John Batsch with my colleague Bill Rajo, the Foundation for Defense of Democracy is my colleague and co-host.

And we're speaking with FDGs John Hardy who follows the Ukrainian conflict

especially the fog of war in the battlefield we've spoken of Chasev Yar but

now we speak of the presidential debate in these last days, especially remarks made by former

President Donald Trump that he would end the war before he was inaugurated and

he said it so quickly there were no details. On the other

hand the president of the United States Mr. Biden is repeated often over these

last two years whatever it takes as long as it takes. However, the President's

presentation during the debate was less than vigorous and John, I welcome your

comment to speculate or to observe or anything you've heard about

how Keith heard the remarks by the two presidents.

Mr. Trump first have ended by inauguration day.

How was that heard? Boasting or something that can be done, John?

All right, so I think the Ukrainians

don't really appreciate when Trump says oh I'll end the conflict tomorrow for one thing it's just not you know that simple another thing secondly

and perhaps more important for policy reasons, is when Trump says he's

going to enforce a negotiated settlement, and it one tends to assume that means not only

pressure on Moscow, but also pressure on Keith.

And so the Ukrainians, you know, obviously don't want that at this point.

I don't think either side is really interested that much in negotiations. We've seen some, you know, so-called

peace proposals from Putin that are really very maximless in their demands. I don't think a genuine attempt to negotiate peace.

So if it means to be seen how exactly Trump will get to that negotiate solution that he promises.

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