Hello everyone and welcome to another additional Mormon stories podcast. I am your host for today John Delinn. It is May 10th, 2024 and we are super excited to be, I shouldn't say super excited, I get in trouble.

People are like this stuff so dark, why you should never say

excellent, that's awesome, or super excited.

So we are somber and we are contemplative

as we bring to you another in our series of discussions about Jody Hildebrandt, Ruby Frankie, and in this case Kevin Frankie,

many of you will know if you've been following kind of global news or Mormon news that once upon a time there was a family

a Mormon family called the Frankie family and there was a mom named Ruby Frankie who started a YouTube channel called eight passengers

that at its peak had I think over 2 million subscribers.

She was married to a BYU professor named Kevin Frankie.

They had six kids and after a couple years of running that

very successful YouTube channel Ruby started getting into trouble with her viewers and

listeners but also with her family and neighbors, people questioning

her treatment of her children.

Parallel to that, there was once upon a time a therapist named Jody Hildebrandt, who was one of the Mormon Church's most recommended

therapists in Utah. She ran Life Star in Utah County. She set herself up as an expert on curing masturbation and pornography

addiction within a Mormon context.

And once her license was suspended,

thanks to the courage of Adam Paul Steed and others,

which we've talked about on Mormon Stories Podcast,

she reinvented herself with a set of offerings, online offerings, but also workshops and

retreats and coaching and therapy groups called connections with an X and that's

when the real horrors started to begin. And so you will all know that at some point,

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