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I'm a lawyer.

Like there's so few Mormon women who are lawyers and so I feel like I was particularly well situated like if I'm not going to do it who's going to do it? You know some housewife in some suburb of Salt Lake City no so finally I decided okay let's do

something something. Hello, unladies. Do I have an uncut gem for you today? We are going all the way

back into the unladie-like archive back to 2018 when I had the pleasure of interviewing Kate Kelly who was the

star of the episode How to be a Mormon feminist. Now I thought that this

conversation would be a timely companion to the pop cultural

sensation that is the real housewives of Salt Lake City. Now if you do not consume Bravo reality

television, if you have no idea what the real Housewives of Salt Lake

City is or why it's season finale this year was so explosive to the point that it was

quoted by a Democratic congressman I believe on the floor of the House, which I don't know that we

stand that, but as far as active Mormons on the cast, there's only one at this point, I believe.

There's one current Mormon, two ex- Mormons, one of whom is Heather Gay who published a bus-selling memoir called Bad Mormon and I've not read

bad Mormon but I don't think that you can get any badder really when it comes to women and

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