Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the distinct honor and

pleasure of sitting this afternoon with Lenore Schenasey, who is the founder of Let Grow of Free Range kids and also I am led to understand

she is America's worst mother is that true Lenore? Well I think that's for your listeners to decide.

But if you Google America's Worst Mom,

I come up for it.

You know, they don't do pages anymore.

They just do an infinite scroll.

But it used to be 77 pages.

So I'd say yes. Wow that's that's quite an accomplishment. Yeah sort of

perhaps your listeners want to know why. Yes, I was hoping you would tell us.

Okay. It's a story from long ago, which is that when our younger son, not

are you and mine, me and my husband's younger son was nine years.

I'm sure he will be really able to hear that.

Sorry, Heather.

He was asking me and my husband

if we would take him someplace he'd never been before

in New York City where we live and let him find

his own way home on the subway.

And we talked about it for a little while, my husband and I, and we decided yes.

So one sunny Sunday, I took him to Bloomingdale's fancy

Shmancy store in a beautiful zip code and I left him there because that was an

easy place for him to get home from there's a subway stop right underneath Bloomingdale's.

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