What's the point of us all voting if there is another door to the nightclub of democracy

where only billionaires can come in and they get a million votes each?

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer and welcome to the GZero World podcast. It's an audio version of what you can

find on public television, where I analyze global topics, sit down with big guests, and make use

of little puppets. This week, I sit down with journalist and former New York Times columnist

Anandajiridharadas to discuss the rise in global inequality and the way global elites

tend to muck things up when they try to do good. We'll also talk about his recent profile at Bernie

Sanders in Time magazine, and I'll ask him what he thinks about the 2020 Democratic field so far.

Let's get to it.

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And I'm with Alan Giroiras, author of Winners Take All.

Great to be with you, man.

Great to be with you.

I want to talk about this moment of capitalism.

And you've been one of the most articulate and loud against elites.

How broken is the system today in your view?

And I wrote Winters-Tegall in a way because there were two things that seemed to be true at the same time that were intention.

On the one hand, we do live in this era in which the great capitalists, the big winners of our time, rather than being

just predators, are actually extraordinary philanthropic, give away more money than's ever been

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