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Today's episode is a special edition in our roundtable Conversation series, and the topic today is romance.

Because for so many of us, romance is an important aspect of a happier life, so it's a great subject for a roundtable discussion.

The three of us are here today to talk it over.

I'm Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness and human nature, and I'm host of

the Happier with Gretchen Rubin podcast. And here today are my two terrific guests. First, Stacey Abrams.

Stacey Abrams is a best-selling author whose romance novels written under the pen name Selena Montgomery.

I love the idea of having a pen name.

Explores themes of passion, justice, identity, and power. Her latest book, Coded Justice,

is a legal thriller that takes on questions of technology, ethics, and accountability,

with romance woven in, too. You may also know her as a nationally recognized political leader and voting rights advocate. She served

as minority leader of the Georgia House of Representatives and founded Fair Fight Action and other civic

organizations to expand voting access and representation. Hello, Stacey. Thank you so much

for having me, Gretchen. It's so fun to have you here. And I am also excited to be talking

to Lori Gottlieb. Lori Gottlieb is a psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author of Maybe

You Should Talk to Someone, which has sold more than 3 million copies. In addition to her clinical

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