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Dr Joseph Zichterman earned a PhD in theological studies from Trinity

Evangelical Divinity School and has served as a professor of Bible and

theology for almost 25 years. For 12 of those years he also

ministered as a part-time lead pastor in three different churches

and in 2020 he earned his master's degree in political science from Portland State University

and since then he's been teaching high school and college level courses

particularly focused on US history and politics. I heard Dr. Zichterman speak at a

local church recently and I was so encouraged by what he had to say I reached out to see

if he would like to come on the show and he joins me today this is going to be a fascinating conversation

about the church and politics this is the Heidi St. Stick around. I think you're going to the podcast. I'm glad you're here.

Thanks so much, Heidi. It's great to be here.

Well, I got to say, people, you know know a lot of people in battleground sent me your message because I hadn't heard you speak yet at at church on the rock and I listened when I think I just found myself kind of hooten

hollering like the whole time I was like oh my goodness and then I texted Brad the

pastor there and I was like Brad come on you're tackling the stuff from the pulpit. I where I come from Joseph we call

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