Money is changing.

So where do we go from here?

Through high-profile interviews and thought-provoking analysis,

join Michael Casey and Sheila Warren for the Money Reimagined podcast,

as they explore the connection between finance, human culture,

and are increasingly digital lives.

And just a reminder, CoinDesk is a new source and does not provide investment advice.

And now, here's Michael Casey.

All right.

Hello and welcome to Money to Imagine.

I'm Michael Casey.

We are going to talk about a topic that I think pretty much everybody in crypto is talking about right now, Sheila.

I mean, we thought FTX was going to be the biggest story around.

I think that the banking crisis and its intersection with crypto is it, because this is where the rubber meets the road.

This is the story about why we're here.

This is like the very fact that Bitcoin's price has risen in the midst of all of this sort of, you know,

risk off anxiety is, is fascinating because it's suddenly like everything. Bitcoin's gone from

being a safe haven to not being one, to being a risk asset, to be a risk off asset. You can put whatever

narrative you want on it, it seems. But either way, it feels as if that conversation that now

people are actually kind of waking up. And as I wrote in my column last week, something akin to what

the crypto crisis, sorry, rather the Cyprus crisis was back in 2013 when Bitcoin rallied, I think, to all of $200 back in

those days, the narrative was rich around the possibility being an alternative to this sort of

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