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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Moment 53 - Why Doing This Is More Important Than Ever Before: Johann Hari

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

FlightStory

Society & Culture, Business, Education

4.613.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2022

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

In these ‘Moment’ episodes of my podcast, I’ll be selecting my favourite moments from previous episodes of The Diary Of A CEO. 


Johann Hari, is the man behind multiple bestselling books speculating on depression, anxiety, happiness, and loneliness. In this clip, we talk about the important role spending time reading plays in our lives. 


We are so absorbed in the information that we see across social media because of the short and fast forms they are presented to us in. Whether that’s twitter posts or Instagram captions, the medium of these messages make us impatient when it comes to reading a book. Johann calls it screen inferiority which diminishes our ability to retain information. 


He explains that instead of skimming (or scrolling) across loads of things, we need to take a bit of time to think about one thing. Slowing down, looking at one bit and spending time thinking about what you are actually reading is how we are going to increase our engagement.


Listen to the full episode here - https://g2ul0.app.link/9vzo9qSXdpb


Johann - https://twitter.com/johannhari101?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/johann.hari/


Watch the Episodes On Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDiaryOfACEO/videos

Transcript

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0:00.0

Why is reading so important? What role does reading play? We all consume information digitally.

0:08.0

Now, why do we need to go back to reading stuff? There's a few reasons. And it's not, again,

0:15.0

not a snooty thing at all. So you're absolutely right. The reading is massive, reading books

0:20.2

is massively declined. 57% of Americans now never read a book in any given year. It's the first

0:26.1

time in the history of the American Republic. That's the case where we're still a bit better than

0:29.8

that in Britain, but not by much. And there's several people who really help me to understand this

0:35.7

and what that's doing to us. That's partly a symptom of our declining attention and partly a

0:41.2

cause of it. And I took a bit about how. So, it's been a woman called Professor Anne Mangon,

0:45.4

is it's DaVanga University in Norway, who's a professor of literacy and probably the leading

0:50.0

expert in the world on these questions. She explained lots of things, but there's one very simple one.

0:54.7

You can do studies have been loads of studies shown this now. So you get group people, you split

0:59.5

them randomly into two. The first group, let's say you could do it with my book. You give one group

1:03.6

of people my book on the iPad, like your iPad there. And the other group, you give the physical book.

1:09.2

Right? And then you go back to them a week a month, a year later, and you just ask them questions

1:13.6

about the book. And it turns out invariably, the people who've read it on the screen remember

1:19.7

significantly less and understand significantly less of what they read. This is a very well-proven

1:24.2

effect. It's called screen inferiority. It's such a big effect. If you take a 10-year-old child,

1:30.0

it's the equivalent of two thirds of their progress in reading in a year is lost when they're reading

1:35.2

on a screen. That's how much it diminishes our ability to think. And it seems to be there's

1:40.2

lots of there's a big debate about why. But when you read, let's say, you know, we opened

1:46.8

the BBC News site now and you read the same story. When we read on a screen, what we tend to do

1:53.0

is read in a sort of skimming, z-packen. You sort of skimming keywords, right? When you read a book,

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