In terms of skills as well as an entrepreneur, I heard you talk about public speaking being

integral to public speaking at university.

I did a lot of public speaking at university in a lot of debating and the skill I think

that's important is the ability to be able to persuade people of your ideas, not necessarily

public speaking, but in every meeting that you go to, you need to be able to look people

in the eye and convince them that your idea is right and that could be in a sales role,

it could be sitting around a table with a bunch of developers and one of them saying,

I think this is the right way forward.

If you can't articulate yourself properly, then you're never going to be listened to.

And that's a skill that I think is being recognised in the skills.

I do a lot of education now, so I see now more and more they recognise that that's a skill

that is really important, that people should be able to look someone in the eye and be able

to explain yourself very coherently.

I tend to actually believe, I'd go one step further and think, I can't think of a more

important skill in life and business, then I refer to it as sales,

because we think of sales, we think of trying to get cash out of someone else's pocket

by giving them something, but I think of it as like me to girl in a nightclub,

trying to communicate your idea to your team, investors, employees,

everyone you encounter, I think, is to some degree you're trying to sell something,

and it's usually yourself.

Yeah.

But those that are, you think about how that compounds over 70 years of your life,

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