Bigger than us. The book is largely centered on this idea of meaning, right? That's the

kind of overarching purpose for writing the book. It's trying to find meaning in a messy world,

and at the end of the book, in part four, you start to conclude that, you know,

the real meaning in life is connection in its various forms. So I guess my question for you is,

what is it that for you now is bringing meaning in your life? What does meaning mean to you

in your life now? Where do you find it? I find it in really simple places, like going for a walk,

and that sounds a bit too casual and flippant, but I do. I try and go for a walk every day,

and I went for a walk this morning, super early, it was summer still rising, it was pissing

with rain, it was bloody horrible. But when I'm out, I might be listening to music, I might go

without my phone and just walk. This could sound very cheesy, but I'm often brought to tears,

because I extract myself from the, oh my god, my kids are late for school, or I haven't done this

email, or how am I doing with this, or what's failing with that, or just let it all go. And I'm lucky

to live near a very green space so I can walk around and look at trees and see there's green

parrots in the park, and whatever else is going on in nature, and be humbled by it, because it's

humbling when you really notice it. Or at night, look at the sky. If you're lucky to live in an

area where there isn't too much light pollution and see one star, that might not even be there anymore

because we can't talk about physics, it's going to blow my head off. But you know what I mean?

Look at the greatness of what is going on around us, rather than your phone or the smallness of

what my god, my house is a shit, how everything's messy, and look outside of that, like I have to

do that every day. So we don't get bogged down with, am I doing this right? Where do I fit into

society? How successful am I? All of this greatness, and how short life is, how short life is,

and that in 200 years, none of us are going to be here. That's humbling, it's not bleak, that's

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