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Machine Learning Guide

MLA 022 Code AI: Cursor, Cline, Roo, Aider, Copilot, Windsurf

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Artificial, Introduction, Learning, Courses, Technology, Ml, Intelligence, Ai, Machine, Education

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šŸ—“ļø 9 February 2025

ā±ļø 55 minutes

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Summary

Vibe coding is using large language models within IDEs or plugins to generate, edit, and review code, and has recently become a prominent and evolving technique in software and machine learning engineering. The episode outlines a comparison of current code AI tools - such as Cursor, Copilot, Windsurf, Cline, Roo Code, and Aider - explaining their architectures, capabilities, agentic features, pricing, and practical recommendations for integrating them into development workflows.

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Definition and Context of Vibe Coding

  • Vibe coding refers to using large language models (LLMs) to generate or edit code directly within IDEs or through plugins.
  • Developers interface with AI models in their coding environment by entering requests or commands in chat-like dialogues, enabling streamlined workflows for feature additions, debugging, and other tasks.

Industry Reception and Concerns

  • Industry skepticism about vibe coding centers on three issues: concerns that excessive reliance on AI can degrade code quality, skepticism over aggressive marketing reminiscent of early cryptocurrency promotions, and anxieties about job security among experienced developers.
  • Maintaining human oversight and reviewing AI-generated changes is emphasized, with both senior engineers and newcomers encouraged to engage critically with outputs rather than use them blindly.

Turnkey Web App Generators vs. Developer-Focused Tools

  • Some AI-powered platforms function as turnkey website and app generators (for example, Lovable, Rept, and Bolt), which reduce development to prompting but limit customizability and resemble content management systems.
  • The focus of this episode is on developer-oriented tools that operate within professional environments, distinguishing them from these all-in-one generators.

Evolution of Code AI Tools and IDE Integration

  • Most contemporary AI code assistants either fork Visual Studio Code (Cursor,Ā Windsurf), or offer plugins/extensions for it, capitalizing on the popularity and adaptability of VS Code.
  • Tools such asĀ Copilot,Ā Cline,Ā Roo Code, andĀ AiderĀ present varied approaches ranging from command-line interfaces to customizable, open-source integrations.

Functional Capabilities: Inline Edits and Agentic Features

  • Early iterations of AI coding tools mainly provided inline code suggestions or autocompletions within active files.
  • Modern tools now offer ā€œagenticā€ features, such as analyzing file dependencies, editing across multiple files, installing packages, executing commands, interacting with web browsers, and performing broader codebase actions.

Detailed Overview of Leading Tools

  • CursorĀ is a popular standalone fork of VS Code, focused on integrating new models with stability and offering a flat-fee pricing model.
  • WindsurfĀ offers similar agentic and inline features with tiered pricing and a ā€œjust worksā€ usability orientation.
  • Copilot, integrated with VS Code and GitHub Code Spaces, provides agentic coding with periodic performance fluctuations and tiered pricing.
  • ClineĀ is open-source and model-agnostic, pioneering features like ā€œbring your own modelā€ (BYOM) and operating on a per-request billing structure.
  • Roo Code, derived from Cline, prioritizes rapid feature development and customization, serving users interested in experimental capabilities.
  • AiderĀ is command-line only, focusing on token efficiency and precise, targeted code modifications, making it useful for surgical edits or as a fallback tool.

Community and Resource Ecosystem

  • Resources such asĀ leaderboardsĀ enable developers to monitor progress and compare tool effectiveness.
  • Aiding community support and updates, theĀ Reddit communityĀ discusses use cases, troubleshooting, and rapid feature rollouts.
  • Demonstrations such as theĀ video of speed-demonĀ illustrate tool capabilities in practical scenarios.

Models, Pricing, and Cost Management

  • Subscription tools like Cursor, Copilot, and Windsurf have flat or tiered pricing, with extra fees for exceeding standard quotas.
  • Open-source solutions require API keys for model providers (OpenAI, Anthropic, Google Gemini), incurring per-request charges dependent on usage.
  • OpenRouterĀ is recommended for consolidating credits and accessing multiple AI models, streamlining administration and reducing fragmented expenses.

Model Advancements and Recommendations

  • The landscape of model performance changes rapidly, with leaders shifting from Claude 3.5, to DeepSeek, Claude 3.7, and currently to Gemini 2.5 Pro Experimental, which is temporarily free and offers extended capabilities.
  • Developers should periodically review available models, utilizing OpenRouter to select up-to-date and efficient options.

Practical Usage Strategies

  • For routine development, begin with Cursor and explore alternatives like Copilot and Windsurf for additional features.
  • Advanced users can installĀ ClineĀ orĀ Roo CodeĀ as plugins within preferred IDEs, and maintainĀ AiderĀ for precise code changes or fallback needs.
  • Balancing subscription-based and open-source tools can increase cost-efficiency; thoughtful review of AI-generated edits remains essential before codebase integration.

Conclusion

  • Vibe coding, defined as using LLMs for software and machine learning development, is transforming professional workflows with new tooling and shifting best practices.
  • Developers are encouraged to experiment with a range of tools, monitor ongoing advancements, and integrate AI responsibly into their coding routines.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back to machine learning applied. This is episode 22, Code AI. Now, the real title of this

0:07.7

episode is vibe coding. Yes, that's right, vibe coding. Why didn't I call the episode vibe

0:13.6

coding then? It's because the phrase vibe coding has a bad rap. And I'm trying to maintain

0:20.3

professional decorum here.

0:21.6

After all, teaching machine learning in podcast form. But I do want to justify the concept of vibe

0:27.4

coding and the phrase in a bit. But first, you're here with Machine Learning Guide, a podcast

0:33.3

series whose goal is to teach you machine learning. Why am I covering programming tools,

0:39.3

presumably to be used with web development and mobile app development and such? There's a couple

0:43.7

reasons. One is AI to help generate code is not ignorable. If you're not using this in your work

0:51.4

already, you should be because it's going to be a competitive advantage

0:54.9

going forward. In fact, I see job postings now whose description references vibe coding. There's a

1:00.4

YouTube video I saw recently somebody teaching how to use cursor with eight or combined, and the guy was

1:07.4

just screaming fast, just plowing through building out a website.

1:12.6

And he had one screen and cursor where he was typing out the requirements for the features that then were being built out by the large language models.

1:20.6

And another screen, he had Ader, which was watching for new tests being generated by the LLM and would run them in real time in CLI and try to

1:30.0

fix any bugs that resulted from the generated coat. And watching this guy move so fast, it really

1:37.2

was an eye-opener about what we as developers, whether app developers or machine learning

1:43.0

engineers, are up against if we don't

1:45.2

keep up with the tooling of the time, things are changing, my friends. The tooling is getting

1:50.2

more sophisticated by way of artificial intelligence. If you've been following this series, you knew

1:54.4

it was coming. It is here now. So I strongly encourage you, if you haven't started using a LLM plugin IDE tool that you start

2:05.2

becoming acquainted with the technology because it is quite sophisticated.

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