We are live on The Hannibal TV on YouTube with a very special guest, a returning guest, a man who has really made a mark not only in terms of his authorship and filmmaking, but very successful podcasting.

And we're here today to take a look at a very timely topic in light of the Manson

documentary that dropped a couple of days ago on Netflix, specifically the speculative,

I want to say link between the CIA MK Ultra program and the

rise of serial killers in the late 1960s into the 70s.

And I would be talking about none other than William Ramsey of William Ramsey Investigates.

Welcome again to the Hannibal TV, William. Jack, thanks for having me.

Great to be with you again. Before we get into some of the nuts and bolts of what M.K. Ultra was

and the details related to serial killers, that whole murky kind of web.

I wanted to ask you just, you know, in terms of a serendipitous timing that Manson doc dropped

on Netflix.

And I found it was interesting that they were discussing, you know, openly some facets of MK MK Ultra, figures like Jolly West, and

Mind Control, what did you make of this? Another revelation of the method type deal, or what do you

think? I thought it was interesting. I do think that they kind of covered some of the known

stuff about Manson, but I think going into the stuff

about Jolly West and Manson's coercive control of his followers was interesting. He had 30 followers.

And the fact that he seemed to come in and out of jail at strange times was telling and kind of ties in to the whole name

of the book really chaos which is this operation chaos CIA operation but i would have liked to

have seen them address even larger elements or larger contexts of these kind of cases because in

california there was this place,

this Symbianese Liberation Army that I believe was also an operation chaos operation.

That was 74 or five years later.

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