I'm a hipster with a library card and a laptop, basically.

I mean, I'm an ambassador to journalists I write about,

typically the impact of intelligent services

on politics and perceptions globally

with a focus on the CIA and MI6.

All right, we like the sound of that.

So MK Ultra, over the years we've had people come on

who've said they've gone through MK Ultra

or they've been experts in MK Ultra.

And as far as we are aware on this channel,

this goes back decades.

And it's a system whereby people are subjected

to extreme trauma and experiences

that enable them to be manipulated in certain ways.

And the cases we've looked have involved intelligence agencies.

Would you say that is about correct?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, this was an attempt by the CIA

to harness mind control.

But I think a common misunderstanding about MK Ultra.

And I think this is a deliberately encouraged misunderstanding

was that it specifically sought to create

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