And the Hi, I'm Bill Crystal. Welcome back to Conversations. My guest today is Mitch Daniels, an old friend, and I'm very honored to have you with us Mitch such a distinguished

career in public life recently governor of great state of Indiana now

president of Purdue University there before that director of the Office of

Management and Budget.

I think we first met when you were a White House aide when I first came to Washington 30 years

ago, so thanks for being with us.

Appreciate being invited.

Well, which of all these jobs was your favorite. Which did you enjoy the most?

Probably the one you didn't mention, which was the longest job I ever had, which was in private business.

Actually, two of them running what was then a contract research

organization but mostly at a long tour with the company Eli Lillick and company in

Pharmaceutical business. I probably learned more there. I'll say this, I've enjoyed each opportunity, but frequently I was asked later what helped, what previous experience helped most to be an effective governor, that sort of thing.

And people would always expect me to name something from public life, probably will be experienced in business

trying to manage for results trying to get large numbers of people aligned and

headed in a common direction. These were probably the most valuable days I spent.

When were you there in the 90s?

From about 1990 to 2001.

Well, a long stretch.

And what was the most memorable thing you accomplished?

I mean, what did you...

I've never been in really the private sector or the real private sector.

Obviously, the weekly standards of private magazine but not

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